Ep 16 – For Our Day


Posted May 28th, 2013

Glenn, Jesse, Tom, and Randy discuss a new film put out by the Joseph Smith Foundation (a group of active Mormons) entitled “For Our Day: Prophetic Parallels in the Book of Mormon.”

  • Christopher Wiren

    LOVED IT!!! This episode was awesome! Now I have to see that movie (once I get to the US)…

    • Glenn

      Thanks Christopher. Are you a member of our Facebook group? If so, take a look to check out how we could help you see the movie (even from overseas).

  • MINDog

    I’ve been hearing this misunderstanding of the 3/5s clause of the US Constitution a lot lately. I’m not sure where it originates. The clear purpose of the 3/5s clause was not to reduce the value of the personhood of slaves. It was a compromise put in to reduce the representative voting power of southern states, which, even without the slaves, had the largest populations and square mileage at the time. The southern states felt that they should be able to count the slaves(who could not vote) as part of their population when it came to the numbers of representatives they could send to Congress. The Northern states, who were largely anti-slavery, felt that they should not count them since the slaves couldn’t vote and did not want to give the Southern states that much more authority in making national decisions, especially in regards to slavery. They eventually settled on the 3/5s clause as well as a provision for ending the importation of slavery in 20 years time. This did not mean that the slaves were only valued as 3/5s of a person. In the South, they were not valued as “persons” at all. They were considered animals to be used and abused as their owners saw fit. The 3/5s clause was a means to keep southern power in check and was a largely a benefit in doing so when it came to establishing future states and whether or not those states were to be slave holding or otherwise. While it would have been the most moral decision to abolish slavery completely and provide recompense for the abuses the slaves suffered, that wasn’t going to happen at that time.

    • MINDog, good clarification and very informative. However, I think the point being made on the podcast was independent of this detail. That is, we have quite the apathetic all-knowing God if he truly was as directly involved with the Constitution as some would like to believe. It’s just ironic when such divinely inspired documents have to be updated over time…

      • MINDog

        True enough, as my “faith journey” (faith collapse?) has progressed over the last few years(and accelerated over the last six months), my desire for precise accurate information has ballooned, largely because I’ve realized how poorly informed I was and by how much I let my biases drive what was acceptable information and what was not. That’s not to say that I don’t have them anymore, but I like to think I’m more cognizant Speaking of faith journey, my BP has noticed that I haven’t been to church in a while, which is weird because though I did attend this branch, I never moved my records here and I’ve never met him before. He wants to have a meeting soon and I haven’t decided what or how much I should say to him. I haven’t even discussed this stuff with my family yet.

  • Christopher Wiren

    Now I have seen it. Thanks Glenn! I have many (random) thoughts about it:

    As a Swede, it never stop surprise me how American (read: U.S.) the church is and how little Mormons seems to know about history. * When they mention the five Anti-Christs they show a book as reference… Marx is not listed in the reference – even though he is their No 1 punch-bag “Communism and Socialism”. Have they never heard about the United Order/Law of Consecration (read: Communism)? Is it really a proof that the U.S. is a nation of God just because its citizens i.e. do not have Universal Health Care (read: Socialism) unlike ALL other industrialized nations in the World? * The film contained a great deal of U.S. supremacy – I thought the AntiNephiLehites where the Christlike ones, not the military industrialized complex… * The fall of the Berlin Wall was constantly brought up (as a good thing); the rise of the Mexican Wall was never mentioned. In the film it is stated that, because the Berlin Wall fell we now have freedom of religion (so we now can have missionary work)… however, people like Dawkins are STILL chastised, in the same film, for having a different beliefsystem. * Much talk about the “Righteous Founders” and many pictures of the U.S. Constitution; disregarding that the author, Jefferson, made a Bible that excluded all the miracles of Jesus. * Nice map with genealogy, titled “History of the Age of the Earth” – how scientific! * A mentioning of Unicorns in Europe, because Ephraim was symbolized by a Wild Ox with two horns – how logic! (She points to an error in the KJV.) * Joseph Smith is THE pure-blood air to the throne of Christ, through the righteous Puritans who are of Israel. That logic would suggest that his son J.S. III was in lineal succession (as he reorganized the church) and that Brigham Young was a bastard error. [Are not ALL people on the Earth “of Israel” – from any of the twelve tribes?] * The film bring up many conveniences that are farfetched, i.e. two boats, separated by history, that encounter storms and the storms. * Contrary, what is not farfetched can be inconvenient, storms and droughts that the Pilgrims encounter have NOTHING to do with “the signs of the time”, but when the same things happen today it MUST be because of “the signs of the time”. * The conquering of North America was, by someone mentioned as “an Invasion” – which is seen as a baddy word. Later in the film, the (let us call it) “Genocide” is said to be caused by just a few bad apples of the Righteous Caucasian immigrants. * We learn that we can study the first Thanksgiving to find out “what America is and what America is destined to be”. * Another statement, “we had pure-blooded Israelites coming to America from England”… I guess that the pure-bloodiness of the English was gone at the time of the American Revolutionary War. * Glenn Beck is in one of the few clips they show – so that segment has(!) to be accurate. * Miller (a fictional writer) is compared to Hitler, because Miller was not anti-Communism. * All the talk about pure-bloodiness made me wonder what the Mormons will think if a dark middle-eastern man named Jesus show up in Independence, Missouri… Is that him? He is so not blond and so not blue-eyed. [Why does not the church move its HQ there?]

    Finally, THERE ARE plenty of pictures of Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and even Martin Luther King flashing by in the last segment, when they tie up the film, of how wicked the World has become.

    If a TBM watches this film and thinks it is “fair and balanced” and in line with general believes, I urge that TBM to leave the U.S. soil and go out in the World – where the MAJORITY of church members live – and show THEM this film. See if THEY agree with you: American = good, Non-American = bad; U.S. Constitution = divine, Non-U.S. Constitution = Anti-Christ. TBM, you might be surprised.

    This film was bad, but not as bad as “Let not your heart be troubled” – that Church production film ruined this Swede’s testimony.

  • kezboard

    John Maynard Keynes originated the idea of government spending to end recessions. I don’t know why this makes him an antichrist, but I think it might have something to do with contemporary US politics!

  • Neighbor

    I know these Stoddards! Their trucker dad was a Rush Limbaugh junky, their mom would bear her testimony against the public schools and dinosaur fossils, the eleven children either followed suit or got smacked around. I wish I could say that shocked and amazed to see them producing this total horse shit.

  • Ryan

    Of course, Michael/Adam was one of the two greatest generals. He won the war in Heaven! #Scoreboard

  • Mark Norris

    They can out with a sequel. http://josephsmithacademy.org/store/index.php/for-our-day-divinely-sanctioned-governments-dvd.html

    Any chance we might see a Part II to this episode?