Ep 437 – Spiral Dynamics (Infant Stylz)

Panel Discussion

Posted January 22nd, 2018

Glenn joins forces with John Dehlin, Gina Colvin, Lindsay Hansen Park, and Jamie Hanis-Handy to discuss Spiral Dynamics, a data-based, psychological theory of how human consciousness adapts and changes. Spiral Dynamics can help us better understand the way we view religion and the way we view the world.

This is a slight different version of the conversation that is being cross-published on Mormon Stories and A Thoughtful Faith. Cuz this one was edited Infant Stylz.

Glenn

  • Swaggy

    Isn’t Jamie afraid that her kids will have a pastoral relationship whether they want to or not? I’m talking about disfellowship, excommunication, pressure, etc.

    • Glenn

      What a very orange thing to ask. Gee, maybe she just really hasn’t thought this thing through.

      • Gabriel von Himmel

        pantheist epistle

        Can a color by any other name look the same?
        1, a tan
        2, b. plum
        3, c. strawberry
        4, d. aquamarine
        5, e. peach
        6, f. emerald
        6, g. damdelioan
        7, f. cerulean
        8, g. salmon

        now that’s better, the letters haven’t changed while the colors are much more vibrant and more easily remembered.

        Glenn’s peach color is (5, E) YES it is there by another hue.
        It’s like a pop quiz with no distinction.
        Pop being the ongoing effort to scratch an unlocatable itch.

        Colors, colors, we don’t need no stinking colors we got letters and numbers.
        http://infantsonthrones.com/the-religion-of-science-part-1/

        QED

        • How did mauve and taupe not make the cut?

          • Gabriel von Himmel

            Yes Ralph, this could be better than the 12 step method, what with all the colors available one could devote an entire existence to chasing after the next new big thing in a swirling pastel tornado.

    • I don’t know. I walked away from the Mormon church a few months shy of my eighth birthday and no one stopped me. My dad took the eight year-old “age of consent” thing seriously.

  • I liked the way Jamie explained how people, orgs and movements go back and forth between the paradigms represented by the colors depending on what they are trying to accomplish at the moment. Lately I’ve noticed quite a few hyper-politically-correct Social Justice Warrior types going totally tribal to the point of wanting to forcibly silence opposing views and lobbying for laws that would force everyone to behave as they do. These are folks who, a couple of decades ago, I probably would have called liberal progressives, denizens of the orange and green zones. I guess they’re just regrouping in order to force their spiritually advanced agenda on the rest of us. Though that approach has problems of its own as John so aptly outlined in his discussion of the “backfire effect” at about 1:27.

    I get an awful lot of push back when I say this to my mostly liberal acquaintances, but the backfire effect is exactly what happened in 2016. The Social Justice Warrior crowd thought that, through forty-odd years of “social engineering,” they had totally vanquished Working Class Middle America and brought it completely into line with their left-leaning agenda. In reality, they had forced Middle America to keep their mouths shut about Political Correctness and Affirmative Action and such, but they hadn’t actually changed anybody’s mind about anything. No Social Justice Warrior will admit that the past strategies of what people now refer to as the Regressive Left caused Trump’s victory—and it might be hard to prove that they did. What’s not hard to prove is that those decades of social engineering didn’t PREVENT the Trump administration. I don’t know that dropping back into old modes, regrouping, retrenching and essentially doubling down on failed strategies, is going to serve us very well.

    Is there a Libertarian-ish, live and let live color in there somewhere? I’m a big believer in public infrastructure, public education, public health care, risk sharing, safety nets and human rights for everyone (even women), but I’m not a joiner. Been there, done that. Hive minds and hugsy-wugsy horseshit are not my thing. Will there be a place for me in the great by-and-by of the rarefied pastel heights of the dynamic spiral?

  • dasdel

    I was loving this discussion and appreciated the different views points. But the last 30 min of the podcast seemed rushed. All of a sudden they are talking about yellow and turquoise with no explanation of those colors. This kind of dropped the ball for me.

    • We need a Part 2. Perhaps sponsored by Sherwin-Williams. They could take us to the next level without breaking a sweat.

  • Gabriel von Himmel

    As part of Spiral Dynamics discussion one must take in account the age old question:
    Ask yourself, how many pins can be stuck in the head of an angel?

    Is there an answer though Spiral Dynamics?
    One could calculate the number of spiral colors as easily as the Pin/Angel experiment and postulate the answer through scientific inquiry.