This is part 2 of Anthony Magnabosco’s SE conversation with two mormon missionaries.
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A year ago today, the LDS Church enacted a policy placing restrictions on the membership of children living in same-sex households. The year since has been one of anguish for those affected, those that love them, and the membership as a whole as they try to grapple with these messages from their leaders. Listener Jeff Burr volunteered to help us make the following video in commemoration of the policy and its effects, based on Heather’s recent minisode/song on the latest Infant General Conference.
Music: “Creep” by Scala and Kolacny Brothers (Radiohead Cover)
Quote References (in order of appearance):
“…and this is about family, this is about love and especially the love of the savior.”
“…on November the fifth, the church made some changes to its handbook in relation to same sex marriage and its policy towards the children of same sex married partners.”
“…we regard same sex marriage as a particularly grievous sin.”
From “Elder Christofferson Provides Context on Handbook Changes Affecting Same-Sex Marriages”
Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and Michael Otterson, Managing Director, Church Public Affairs
11/6/2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEEMyc6aZms
“…so called intellectuals”
From “Fortify Your Homes Against Evil”
Given By Spencer W. Kimball, President of the Church
LDS General Conference, April 1979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-LfMSx_Ec
“…these so called alternative lifestyles”
From “Trying to Serve the Lord Without Offending the Devil” BYU Devotional
Given By James E. Faust, Second Counselor in the First Presidency
BYU Devotional, 11/15/1994
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/faust-james-e_trying-serve-lord-without-offending-devil/
“…so called same gender marriage”
From “No Other Gods”
Given By Dallin H. Oaks, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
LDS General Conference, October 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Fvxg-FmF8
“…so called freedom of the sexes”
From “The Time to Labor Is Now”
Given By Spencer W. Kimball, President of the Church
LDS General Conference, October 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43TERITPxHQ
“…so called experts”
From “We Are Children of God”
Given By Russell M. Nelson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (at the time)
LDS General Conference, October 1998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YB4U0H6Eck
“…there are no homosexual members of the church”
From “Questions and answers with Elder David a. Bednar”
Given By David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Chile, 2/23/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4_wTGv8Ao
“…that we wouldn’t go forward with these ordinances”
“…we don’t want the child to have to deal with…”
“…issues that might arise where…”
“…the parents feel one way and the expectations of the church are very different.”
From “Elder Christofferson Provides Context on Handbook Changes Affecting Same-Sex Marriages”
Given By D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
11/6/2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEEMyc6aZms
“…there are some things we do not accept or tolerate”
From “Questions and answers with Elder David a. Bednar”
Given By David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Chile, 2/23/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4_wTGv8Ao
“…the church, of course, doesn’t attempt to practice mind control.”
From “Elder Christofferson Provides Context on Handbook Changes Affecting Same-Sex Marriages”
Given By D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
11/6/2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEEMyc6aZms
“…but he is confirmed a homosexual?”
“…the homosexual agenda”
“…is he gay?”
From Leaked Video: “WikiLeaks” Meeting
Given By M. Russell Ballard, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
1/12/2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVh24_wGoY
“On this issue,
we will not budge”
“We will fight”
From Leaked Video: Religious Freedom
Given By Boyd K. Packer, President, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
5/16/2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9PcLeSdpM
“…I’m so furious with people who leave this church…”
From “The Tempe Rescue”
Given By Jeffrey R. Holland, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
4/26/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4_LcENySzQ
“…what kind of patty cake, taffy pull…”
From “The Tempe Rescue”
Given By Jeffrey R. Holland, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
4/26/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4_LcENySzQ
“…in anything but a marriage between a man and woman”
“…my wife is afraid I’m going to hit her with a bottle of water…”
“…there is a divinely designed difference…”
“…between a female spirit and a male spirit”
From “Questions and answers with Elder David a. Bednar”
Given By David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Chile, 2/23/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4_wTGv8Ao
“…so called same gender marriages”
From “Beware of False Prophets and False Teachers”
Given By M. Russell Ballard, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
LDS General Conference, October 1999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKo9rIVjD0
“…so called intellect”
From “Truth Is the Issue”
Given By F. Enzio Busche, First Quorum of the Seventy
LDS General Conference, October 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYGJbAu6Q38
“…as if none of this ever mattered, as if nothing in our contemporary life mattered, as if this is all supposed to be just exactly the way I want and answer every one of my questions.”
From “The Tempe Rescue” devotional.
Given By Jeffrey R. Holland, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
4/26/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4_LcENySzQ
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By popular demand, here is Heather’s moving remix of Scala & Kolacny Brothers’s cover of “Creep,” featured at the end of our latest General Conference episode. Consider it a nod to the upcoming 1-year anniversary of the infamous policy change. Feel free to share it.
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In 1984, Elder Ronald E Polman delivered a talk titled “The Gospel and the Church” in General Conference. It emphasized the importance of an eternally divine gospel being delivered through a man-made fallible church. The Brethren did not like this message, and made him re-write the talk to make the church as eternally divine and infallible as the gospel. They also made him re-deliver the talk in front of an empty tabernacle to record it and pass it off as the original. But thanks to home VCRs, they got caught. And today you can hear all about it, including clips from both the original talk and the re-written message. So listen in as Glenn and Scott (aka Jesse) are joined by Rock Waterman and James Rogers two discuss A Tale of two Poelmans.
*This recorded conversation was previously released in January 2011 on another podcast but has since been removed. Now it is back where it belongs.
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Scott presents the brief but fascinating history of dissent in the General Conference of the Mormon church. For more information, check out anyopposed.org
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Alison asks a very simple question in a very creative way:
“What is the difference between the advice given in LDS General Conference vs. the fortune-cookie wisdom found in Chicken Soup for the Soul?”
(and possibly the follow-up question: “What exactly does nonsense sound like?”)
Glenn, Bob, and Randy chip in a bit with the nonsense.
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In the spirit of appreciation, gratitude, and satire, Glenn reads an open letter to President Uchtdorf in response to his recent General Conference talk.
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Glenn sits down with Anthony Magnabosco and a few podcast listeners who joined us live to talk about Street Epistemology, and God, and Truth, and Language, and burning bosoms and stupors of thought and other Mormon ways of verifying belief.
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