Ep 441 – Of Weeds and Bats and Unicorns, P2

Panel Discussion

Posted February 5th, 2018

Glenn, Heather, Jake, and Erica conclude their discussion about the fascinating story of Josh and Lolly Weed, the faithful LDS mixed orientation couple (she’s straight, he’s gay) who announced very publicly five years ago that they were going to make this thing work, dammit!  And then announced last week that they are now getting a divorce — along with a number of other fascinating admissions.

Wow — another episode of Infants on Thrones that actually talks about mostly-Mormon-stuff almost pretty much the entire time.  We’re Bat-men!




  • windy_way8192

    As mental-health professionals, Josh and Lolly might have recognized their extraordinary friendship and then believed it could be the key to mo marital success. Could it be an example of expert-bias, like a cliff jumper thinking they can beat crazy odds to save a drowning victim?

    What I liked so much about their post is how it so thoroughly depicts them loving their way to the truth. They max out the mileage on their relationship…they don’t crash it, neglect it, they invest in it and, guess what? They find the lie. It’s not a physics-defying car, no matter what SWK says.

    • Great point–I was being a bit obtuse in this episode, but as I think about it, the fact that they thought they could make it doesn’t surprise me, despite being professional therapists. In fact, like you said, it may have even contributed to their confidence. I also loved the comment about “loving their way to the truth.” That’s what makes narratives like the Weeds’ so threatening–their total commitment to the ideal makes it impossible to place the blame for failure on them. There has to be something wrong with the narrative.

      • windy_way8192

        Yes. Mormonism is so framed around weaseling out of its promises, just like Joseph Smith weaseled out when treasure hunts failed. IMO it’s not coincidence that the pattern is ubiquitous in the culture and doctrine. Talks like “Wrong Roads” and “The Mantle is far, Far Greater…” are examples and they contribute to highly neurotic paradigms.

  • Andy D

    I just had to come here to post on the mini sode by glenn. it was one of the best done podcasts i have heard in years. so well done. classic IOT, classic glenn. thoughtful and well done.

    one question : where does the audio from that beattitudes clip come from?

  • The good natured ribbing about Josh’s phraseology was funny, but it was clear to me that his profession gave both him and his wife the lens and the LANGUAGE to talk about his experience in the way that the church simply doesn’t offer. This has been something I’ve noticed more and more the longer I’m out. Mormonism doesn’t have terms, words, or a basic phraseology for the queer experience. It’s so far out of the realm of the accepted that they literally don’t have the language to discuss it. This is very good to understand about mormons as a group, and desperately sad at the same time.