Infants on SHONE Pt.1

Minisode

Posted November 4th, 2016

Glenn pitches an idea for reviewing the book “A Short History of Nearly Everything.” Β Tell us what you think. Β Is this something you’d like to hear more of, or not?

  • Leslie

    Yes, please. Just yesterday I was saying to my best infant-psycophant buddy that we missed the days of the infant book and movie reviews. And this book is in my TBR list already… yes, yes, yes. — from a nerdy English teacher, so perhaps not a very representative sample.

    • Glenn

      Leslie, meet Claudette.
      Claudette, meet Leslie. And ok, I will (I think). Thank you both.

  • Ryan

    I love these types of podcasts. I would the infant treatment on these types of topics.

    • aerin64

      Agreed!

  • articulett

    Yes!

  • Claudette

    Yes, yes, yes Please! My excellent good friend — who is an English teacher, as I am also — and I were saying just yesterday that IoT should review another book and now you are actually talking BOOK CLUB! So… Please, yes!

    • Glenn

      Claudette, meet Leslie. Leslie, meet Claudette. And ok, I will (I think). Thank you both.

  • Swaggy

    It’s too bad I don’t smoke weed any more, because most of the stuff you’re saying goes way over my head, bro.

    • Glenn

      Maybe you’re confusing this with The Book of Abraham. No weed required to understand this stuff at all. πŸ™‚

      • Swaggy

        I think I do get that the more science we know, the more our existence becomes so funky. The implications of a universe that’s expanding at an ever-increasing rate means that there will be a Big Chill eventually. Entropy. Another school of thought is that every molecule, every matter will collapse back into a red, tiny, hot speck. Big Crunch. Funky stuff.

      • Swaggy

        I think Carl Sagan talked about it…how the creation myth in Hinduism alludes to an endless cycle of creation and destruction.

  • Ryan Gregson

    As a listener, I like the idea!
    One of my favorite things about IoT, is the variety of content.

    In regards to leaving an impression on our atoms and such, I would think that unlikely in my opinion, especially at an atomic level, but if you’re talking at a genetic level, there might be something there!

    • Glenn

      This is interesting. But aren’t genes made up of atoms? And when I die, don’t my genes break apart into atomic dust like the rest of me and no longer function as “genes?”

      Maybe genetic transfer in repriduction via DNA or something. But now we are really getting into shit I know less than shit about! πŸ™‚

      • Ryan Gregson

        I suppose that’s what I mean, it appears that life circumstances can have an impact on one’s genes. And those can be passed on to future generations. But yeah, after death the ‘information’ is lost. The DNA holds the information, the atoms and molecules are just the material. Look into epigenetics, you’ll find some interesting stuff.

  • Tysa

    Do it! Since losing my beliefs in the church I have had such a curiosity to understanding science. I just downloaded the audiobook and already only a few minutes in, it is fascinating. I would love to hear IOT discuss it!

    • Glenn

      Thanks! It’s a great book.

  • Aaron

    Hi. I think the project sounds good, but I’d like to posit that the project turns on some assumptions about meaning. The poststructuralist debate is founded upon the generation of meaning, and attempting to read meaning into scientific models beyond the models themselves and their epistemological foundations is intensely anthropomorphic and leaves the realm of science for personal interpretation. It implies a signifier-signified relationship between phenomena and some arbitrary value that breaks-down under push back. The only source of value is the observer who imposes meaning upon any given phenomenon. You might want to address the subjectivity of reading any sort of value into these phenomena, and your interpretive philters in order to couch the resulting readings.

    • Ryan Gregson

      yeah, what he said.

    • Glenn

      Jargon much? I think what you said here is worth understanding. But I have read and re-read it 5 times niw and still don’t completely understand. I do like philters with a “ph” though. (Just my personal observation). πŸ™‚

      And I would welcome and encourage you to help mold and shape this evolving idea. I still just have to figure out how.

    • Again, pick it apart after it’s been heard on the podcast. Don’t censor it before we even get to hear it. IMHO.

  • Jason Nelson-Seawright

    Hate to bust up the party, but the fair use copyright argument is maybe in need of attention here. The library of the university where I work has fair use policies to protect the school — and your project here wouldn’t even come close to passing. I guess you probably won’t be sued because the Mormon world is relatively small and insular — but if you specifically want to follow copyright law you might need to worry about this more.

    Stanford has an extensive discussion:

    http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

    Basically, my training as an educator is that you’ll be fine using brief clips for purposes of discussion, but anything more than a couple of minutes of copyrighted audio per episode might raise the kind of issues where lawyers matter.

    • Jason Nelson-Seawright

      Also: the parts of this book that are included here seem distressingly sloppy. For the longest time there was no universe, he says? I take this to be a Big Bang reference. As I understand it, the question of the Big Bang as the origin of the universe is far from settled. But if it was the origin of the universe it would also be the origin of time. So there would have been no prior time in which there could be no universe.

      Maybe pick a clearer book on these issues, like Sean Carroll’s The Big Picture?

      • Glenn

        I’ll add that to my reading list

      • This is precisely the kind of stuff you can discuss when it comes around on the podcast. Limiting selections to those with proven correct, peer reviewed, academically accepted content would be completely stifling. IMHO.

        • Jason Nelson-Seawright

          I mean, discuss whatever you want! But for a lot of the questions Glenn raised in this episode, there are straight-up answers. If the point is the experience of speculation per se, cool.

          • Glenn

            What are the straight-up answers Jason? Don’t leave me hanging bro!

            And FWIW, my infantile brain has now indexically conjured Paula Abdul singing “straight up now tell me…” Yes. That is how my brain works (obviously). πŸ™‚

    • Glenn

      Thanks Jason! You are totally right. Thanks for the input.

    • dblagent007

      I came here to say the same thing. Glenn’s fair use analysis was seriously flawed. Maybe IOT should hire John Larsen to be the chief copyright compliance officer, haha.

  • Gail_F_Bartholomew

    Glenn,
    This is a fun book. I for one would love this type treatment of it.
    Even in light of the fare use revelations please take a walk on the wild side. Also, there will be listeners that will not like your choice of book or what you have to say about it. News flash we as listeners are not required to listen to every episode or any of them.
    If you and some the infants would find it interesting I think you should do it, likely some of us will love it. I for one would and maybe you want to other books after this.

  • Thomas Moore

    I’m on board. I’ve never heard of this book or way of thinking…except I have. Thich Nhat Hanh, the Viet Nam Zen Buddahist teacher, explained that Buddahist do not believe in “Reincarnation” like Hindus but they believe in “Rebirth”. The Zen Buddahism teaches that the memory and pattern from the atoms of your body will pass on to the grass that are nourished from what was your body, then they will be passed onto the cow that eats the grass, ultimately to the person who drinks the milk of the cow or eats the cow will absorb the memories of all. Here’s the 4 minute video; but he has more meditations on such “deep thoughts”. So here I am an atheist….yet, I have found a religion that teaches what I believe. https://youtu.be/zS73WxpBd5k

    • I’ve read at least four Lives of the Buddha (Thich Nhat Hanh’s among them) and rilly fer rill Buddhism was never supposed to be a “religion” as such. It has no god, or as Carl Sagan put it, “Their god is so great he’s not even obliged to exist.” You’re not supposed to worship the Buddha, just listen to him, so Buddhism will fit most atheists comfortably without alteration, especially Zen, which I think is the purest form of Buddhism. Layman P’ang and his family are my heroes. I wouldn’t mind being a Zen Buddhist if I could remember to, but I keep forgetting.

  • Sounds really interesting. I’m in.

  • Russ

    I really liked this episode. Please do more of these.

  • Vic Ferrari

    Just a quick comment on Fair Use. I’ve got a bit of experience with it. Fair Use doctrine will allow you to use some clips of the book in order to educate or inform the public. Playing the book in its entirety, or very large clips of it, would not fall under Fair Use (in my opinion). Not trying to burst your bubble, because I love the book, too. I’ve read it twice for the same reason you did; once was just as I was leaving, and then again once I was more fully formed in my post-Mo philosophy.

    • Glenn

      You’re right. I’m rethinking how to approach this more succinctly and fair use-ly, but still plan on doing it. Thanks!

  • Ryan

    I would love to listen to this series. Listening to the authors story as a boy reminded me so much of my experience. I really enjoyed another podcast in Itune University on this subject. It was a fascinating but long listen. Check the link out if your interested. http://inside.mines.edu/~cshorey/pages/sygn.html

  • Cliff

    If you think you’ll have the fortitude to go through with it and you’re not going to burn out like with Early Mormon Audio, I say do it! I’d love to hear it.

  • Dave

    Mark me down as a listener for Infants on SHONEs. This was one of the first books that I bought on Audible back in 2005 (right between a biography of Ben Franklin and Pure Drivel by Steve Martin – both of which I highly recommend). I’ve always had a love for science, and Bill Bryson does an amazing job of covering nearly everything. I loved it as a TBM and now you’ve got me listening to it again – still love it. Now if I can only find my hard copy. I think that it’s a good idea, and I’m looking forward to Pt 2.

    In relation to the corporation, I’ve found that Mormons either don’t understand or ignore the science; understand it and see it as God’s toolbox for manipulating the universe; or say that science is wrong when there’s simply no reconciling facts with faith. I’m glad that the TBM Whisperer is pushing this. That should help keep it interesting.

  • Michelle

    I definitely tune in for more Infants on SHONE. Thanks for all the work your group puts in to do these podcasts!

  • Stefanie

    Yes, please more SHONE episodes!

  • Glenn, you’ve definitely peaked my interest with this book, I’ve bought it just now. My interest in science has went up loads like you since my faith transition.
    I’d definitely be interested in more Podcasts going through this.

  • Dave Daines

    This is one of my favorite books, and I LOVE the idea of discussing it in podcast form.

  • Sterling C

    I love the idea of exploring stuff like this with others. I love the edge of what we know (in hard skeptical science) and what it means to humans search of meaning. The world is rift with resources.

  • Jimbo

    I liked this minisode. You have my vote πŸ™‚
    Never heard of the book, but I will check it out. Keep up the good work.