Ep 508 – Latter Day Infant Missionaries

Panel Discussion

Posted July 28th, 2018

What happens when two mormon missionaries unknowingly knock on Matt Long’s door?  This episode.  That’s what.






  • WhenIWasOnMyMission

    Great episode guys. I mean… I’m only at 28 minutes… so you guys could clearly still screw it up… I was laughing so hard earlier, and now you’ve got me with the feels.

  • WhenIWasOnMyMission

    56:00 – I’ve totally had this hypothetical quandary before. If I went and talked to myself in the past, and jacked off one less or more time as a result of the discussion, would I end up with the same kids?????

    In all seriousness though, kids create an anchor in your current reality that makes it very difficult to truly regret the actions that led you to them. I loved “I don’t want better kids, I want my kids”.

  • Trent Davis

    I’m pretty sure that the placebo effect can still work on people that are 100% aware of the placebo.


  • Christian Braithwaite

    This was a fantastic episode; you guys are knocking it out of the park lately.

    I love the concept of dialectic truth; wherein seemingly diametrically opposed notions, concepts, etc. exist at the same time and are both simultaneously “true”. For example: 1.) I don’t believe in a literal God, but 2.) Praying to God brings me comfort. Also, 1.) The Church is a Cult and 2.) The Church is a saving institution. There are things that are “true” at the same time, under the same circumstances, for the same person; even though it logically seems as though the truths couldn’t exist in the same mind simultaneously. That statement would have driven the TBM version of myself crazy. That statement would have driven the newly “awoke” Ex-mo version of myself crazy. But, the “Post Post-Mormon” version of myself quite likes that way of conceptualizing realty.

    I’m more inclined to agree with Tom and Randy in that the I’ve seen the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, and it’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle; however, I’ve begun to see the value in the Pragmatic worldview. Why not grab onto an existing system and, as Glenn said “push the button” if that proves to be useful? Although I, myself, am very much a Realist, at what point does realism give way to nihilism; since all we really equate to are an array of relatively meaningless consciousnesses hurling through the vastness of space on a stupid rock? I think you can’t really choose what you believe; but perhaps it’s still possible to choose to have faith. I don’t know what that means – since I can’t differentiate between faith, and intentionally believing in something without any evidence; but it feels like there’s something more there. As Science Mike put it “The opposite of Faith isn’t Doubt: it’s Certainty. Because what need do the Certain have for Faith?”

    That being said – The Book of Mormon isn’t historical, the Church is Racist, Homophobic, and Misogynistic – so I guess I’ll keep wandering around reading books and listening to Podcasts. It’s an awesome journey.

    Thanks for the great conversation guys!

  • Eric

    I can’t believe you guys are still doing these podcasts! I figured you would have gone the way of Mormon Expression and John Larsen by now. But here you are. I just listened to my first episode in years and it was great. I’m personally going on 9 years and the journey is still playing out. Your current experiences are similar to mine, so this is reassuring to hear; the journey keeps going in new directions.

    Matt, your realizations are deceptively trite. At a quick glance, they seem so obvious. But truly meaning what you’ve said is really hard. I applaud your realizations. For what it’s worth, to Randy’s point, these kinds of words would have fallen on deaf ears to my 19 year-old self. Figuring things out for myself at 19 meant praying and getting spiritual confirmation. I think the best we can do is raise our children to truly think for themselves and to avoid our 19 year-old-selves’ epistemologies like the plague.

    Anyways, I’m going to start listening again. Keep it up!