Ep 311 – Apocalypse

Panel Discussion

Posted October 9th, 2016

Randy, John, and Heather welcome siblings Jimmy and Ben to talk about the End of the World and to laugh and giggle.  A lot.  It’s a smart, funny discussion that will have you hoarding wheat, powdered milk, and liquor in no time.  Enjoy.




  • Jimmy just blew my mind: Second coming is typically thought to be a nebulous 30 years in the future, in the way science fiction is normally staged. Love that observation. I’d never thought of it that way.

    It’s not unlike a branching-off doctrine that people take to be true and sprinkling in a “restoration” to make it your own. You have to be familiar enough, close to present day to keep the story relevant, yet dreamy or curious enough to keep it interesting and motivating.

  • Skippy

    Where can I listen to the full “go fuck yourself” song?

  • Jason Anderson

    Just a few things…The first time i actually read the BOM as an adult, I couldn’t get past how clearly made up the names and places are. And on a related note, Heather, I have to say shinehah was a huge “shelf-item” for me. I still find myself shaking my head and thinking “Shinehah?!? Really?”

    ..and lastly, Fletch movies taught me everything I know about journalism, so John Coctostan is a perfectly legitimate made-up name. It’s all ball bearings these days!

    Thanks for a great ‘sode. 😉

  • lobizao

    Wow, Glenn just told John to go fuck himself. Is that just locker banter?

  • Orrin Dayne

    Key to the Science of Theology was mentioned during the episode. I recommend checking out Glenn’s Early Mormon Audio for that book and others:


    • Glenn

      Oh, great. Now I’m going to have to finish that partially completed audio book. Thanks a lot Orrin! 😉

      And it isn’t a reflection of 1830 belief. It was written later in the Utah period — 1855 I think. And it is hard to stomach. Pratt is so flowery and poetically hyperbolic, but that also makes it pretty funny. And when he gives evidencs of Joseph’s prophetic mantle, guess what? No mention if the “first vision” whatsoever. Intetesting….

      And by the way, the reason I chose that for EMA was because Jimmy recomended it when I had dinner with him, Randy, and John in Utah last year, so… full circle? (Not until I complete it, I guess.)

      • Orrin Dayne

        Even if you never get around to finishing Key to the Science of Theology, you’re already given us enough to experience its over-the-top nuttiness. It was so enjoyably awkward to listen to! Your idea to read these public domain texts to make them more accessible via the EMA podcast is great. I’ve listened to, and enjoyed, them all.

  • That was a great episode in the finest tradition of IoT! The easter egg was fantastic. It passes the San Rafaelean Funny Test with flying colors: If you’re sitting all alone reading, listening to or watching something and you find yourself laughing out loud to no one but yourself, that’s beyond amusing or cute or clever, that’s funny.

    When Cormac McCarthy’s book, The Road, came out, I made it to about page forty-five and gave up on it. At the time. my friends had a nine year-old kid who I would “baby sit” or take for a day to the fair or the rocket museum or whatever and I could not imagine the grief and the grime and the sheer dire grimness of trying to keep a kid alive through an apocalypse that was probably going to kill everybody anyway. Later the book was selected by a book group I’m part of and I ended up finishing it, but still found it one of the darkest, ugliest books I’d ever waded through. It was just about the last story I thought would ever be made into a rollicking lighthearted Broadway musical. Until now . . .

    I think with some insights and suggestions form Ben and the rest of you, Cormac McCarthy’s The Road could be adapted for musical comedy and become perhaps the next Book of Mormon: The Musical I’m just sayin’ . . .

    • I’d go see that musical! The Road is one of my all time favorite books. Dark and depressing, yes. But I think it demonstrates the sheer will to survive and protect our own, even in hopeless situations. Great comments!

      • I worship the paper Cormac McCarthy types on. He just sometimes goes where I’m reluctant to follow, The Sunset Limited is my favorite. Both the film and the hardcopy play.

        • I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve never heard of that one. I’ll have to check it out.

  • I like to have a drink or two (among other things) while listening to IoT sometimes. The discussion overall was great but the easter egg blew my mind. I thought maybe I had skipped to a different podcast or maybe the podcast had ended and all of this was happening in my head. That transition from Marin Luther to food storage was flawless. Even when I went back and listened to this sober I found it extremely entertaining!

    By the way, has anyone suggested starting a drinking game for whenever John says, “In other words…”?

  • Scribbles

    Another great podcast. However, it is weird to me that no one mentioned Arthur C. Clarke’s third law: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” That statement alone makes your shelf practically indestructible (if you are scientifically minded and a mormon).

    Any time that someone points out any flaws in the logic or reason of the revealed word, you can throw your hands up and say “I don’t understand it, but that’s only because God’s capability as THE ULTIMATE SCIENTIST allows him to operate at a level that might as well be wizardry to us poor, foolish earth schmucks.”

  • Lachlan Krautz

    Editing in the last word when you disagree with the panel!

    • Glenn

      Sometimes. But I don’t remember disagreeing with the panel in this one. I thought they were all outstanding.

      • Lachlan Krautz

        Nah not you Glenn you were great, I was mad at that God damn TBM whisperer doing the editing. =p

  • Tim

    When my grandmother died, she had 200lbs of 30 year old wheat under her stairs. Amazingly (miraculously?), it sold in the estate auction. Since she lived up the street from the Hamers, perhaps their stockpile is 200lbs heavier now. I think they should have thrown in grandpa’s collection of Cleon Skousen books for free. Nothing like curling up with a good book on a cold nuclear winter day… with a wheelbarrow full of liquor.

  • Tim

    There was a family I got to know well on my mission that was REALLY into doomsday preparation — I mean preparing for the Second Coming. They picked out a lot for their home that was at the end of a long dirt road so that there would only be one entry/exit to the property. The surrounding woods were booby trapped to keep the marauders out. They had stockpiled food for personal use. They had an arsenal of guns and ammunition for picking off the inevitable masses that would try to raid their home. And they were very proud to have a stash of cigarettes and alcohol for bartering, not for personal consumption. Their guns were unregistered so the government couldn’t track them. My companion at the time was a martial arts black belt, heavily into survivalism. Lots of ward members were into conspiracy theories of the New World Order, something about the Trilateral Commission, and the Illuminati. It was at once both fascinating and frightening to be immersed in a community of paranoid delusional people.

  • Mick

    Dumb “correction” of sorts. Even as a believer I really hated the temple, so I worried about the constant temple work in the millennium but when I actually mathed it out one day, it’s not nearly as bad as it sounds. Even if you assume 100 billion people living throughout history (as suggested on the podcast) and only a million Mormons making it to the CK , that’s only 100,000 people per person. Now that sounds like a lot, but given 1,000 years/365,000 days, it only comes out to a few endowment sessions a week which for a temple-loving TBM is really nothing. Heck, if you assume the first resurrection brings back the good folks throughout history and the possibility that folks get resurrected as they accept the temple work done for them, the number of people doing temple work is a lot more than my assumption.
    Anyway, loved the podcast as usual.

  • aerin64

    Loved this episode with John and Ben. I was surprised that rebuilding the Model T to go to Missouri was not mentioned (hasn’t that been discussed somewhere before?).

    • Good memory — I’d forgotten about the idea that a side benefit of the Hamer family Model-A was that it could run on moonshine in a post-Apocalyptic world.